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« on: June 23, 2006, 06:34:46 PM »

I read this comic... and yes, they're doing a mini-series of all four turtles.

I can deal with the swearing, but it's weird to me that Mike offered Leo a beer. Obviously, if you know me, I'm more used to the old cartoon versions of the turtles. And this is geared towards a younger audience? At least that's what Dan Berger told me. And since they are TEENAGE Mutant Ninja Turtles, isn't drinking underage illegal? Just something that caught my eye.

I do believe there will be a future issue of TMNT where the drawings will look like a mix of the old comics and cartoon.

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2006, 08:38:49 PM »

Yes, drinking underage is illegal but teens still do it. Mikey and Raph would be the turtles who would be interested in drinking and willing to try something new. Teenagers live in their own little world, much less a teenage mutant ninja turtle. Happy/Smile  By "younger audience", would Dan mean pre-teen/teenagers? *shrug* It might be for kids. o.o
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2006, 09:38:44 PM »

I have it in writing that Dan Berger said it was geared for 7 year olds and older. Still, I think this is quite young to talk about beer... alcohol.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2006, 01:04:43 AM »

Anyone can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but unless otherwise stated (such as a young Turtles Tale) isn't this Tales series suppose to mostly be stories filling in events that happened between volume 2 and the current volume 4??

So the Turtles could be anywhere from in there late teens all the way until there 30's in these stories...

As for age range.... I am honestly not certain who this Tales mini series is based towards...
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2006, 08:03:36 PM »

I agree, they should be around at least 18 if memory serves me well. The vol.2 color series stated they were 17 I think (been a long time since I read that)
However, the drinking is also an interesting thing to look at because this is around the time the authors’ remark on that fact that Leo is a Buddhist. Some Buddhists drink but others find that alcohol clouds the mind they work so hard to clear. Maybe this is the point in the story of the TMNT when Leo is making a transition into his spirituality and or struggling with it? Any thoughts on any of this?
Also along these lines is the aspect of Leo questioning he and his brother's existence and its purpose. This is something we see Leo remarking on in Mirage Vol.2 and I think it is something that makes the character interesting. He seems to worry about his "purpose" more then the rest of his family.

Anyhow, I  REALLY enjoyed this first issue!!! I cant wait to see how it goes and I feel that even as a stand alone book issue one of TOL has added a lot to this character already!

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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2006, 06:13:52 PM »

Thanks for clearing that up, guys. This just reminds me of how much I need to collect the comics!
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2006, 09:44:29 PM »

I am posting this without looking at the thread....(it's amazing how your can use your hand to block the screen and focus your eyes on the scroll down bar.)
I heard from one friend who's not on the boards: "it's very grim".
So I went to the comic shop tonight, and they still did not have this issue in!
AAAAAAARGH

Okay...well, I will have to wait at least another week, maybe two before I can get it and read it. The shop is going to have to order it. There's no other area stores or comic shops that will have the issue, so that kind of thing is not an option.
So I look forward to reading the posts in here and commenting on this issue myself, someday.

I'm guessing this must be some kind of weird comic karma.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2006, 07:56:13 PM »

Quote from: "BehindTheShells"
I have it in writing that Dan Berger said it was geared for 7 year olds and older. Still, I think this is quite young to talk about beer... alcohol.

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It's all relative, and without birth certificates or State IDs it's really hard to make a moral judgement on the alcohol imbibing of mutant Turtles.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2006, 02:03:58 AM »

Hey, if the story is when they're older, fair game. After all, Raph wanted "brew" all the way back in the early Mirage comics days when they were younger teens....Not that I think any of them would be heavy drinkers, although Mikey and Raph might get to a silly point every so often. Too dangerous with their lifestyle to keep that kind of thing as habitual.

That said...
I am still waiting on issues 1 and 2 to come in as backorder to my comic shop. Another week or two I may have to give up and go online to order them somewhere.
But I did get issue 3. So I can comment on that issue.

Have to say Lawson scored a few points with me on the horses. He didn't do a bad job at all drawing them. And the tack was mostly accurate! And the attitude of the horse was very realistic. How they will hear something before we can, and tune to it--and if one as the rider pay attention to such things, sometimes it's useful. (And sometimes it's "okaaaay, yes, a rabbit/bird/squirrel, can we go on now? It won't eat much, so c'mon....")
The horse was mighty fine in battle!
Also the horse knowing the way home was for real, as anyone who's gone trail riding enough knows.
Or the horse taking an opportunity to munch when danger is over, if left to their own decision.

As for Leo going home to a family?
Well, clearly (and I don't have the first two issues to go by), Leo's facing a difficult time in his life of questioning his path as a warrior, as ninja, guilt for slaying a bystander, etc.--his feelings when he just slays his opponents without knowing who they are, and his being glad his swords are stolen because it's been removed from him to kill again. (But I'll bet he's going to need them to protect those people in the next issue....)
I wonder about the whole thing with Splinter perhaps sending Leo into some kind of ancestral thing? Not ancestry of blood, of course, but of "adopted" family--of Splinter's teachings? Of course, the man in the front of the comic that Leo attempts to help is anachronistic to the time period. So there's clearly some symbolisms and such going on, not just a simple "dream of an ancestor". But the point of the wife and daughter not seeing him as a mutant Turtle, or not caring. (And could there be another element of the "not seeing"?)
I'm guessing with the beginning comments by Splinter in the comic, the blindness Leo is experiencing is going to turn out to be mostly self-inflicted at this point, as in the poison used against him would normally have worn off long ago? Because he can't see in more ways than one, it's an outward symptom of what he's facing inside.

Anyway...hope I finally get those missing issues before issue 4 comes out.
Reading stuff out of order is kinda like this whole cartoon series being out of order thing....

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2007, 02:53:54 AM »

After some time, my comic shop finally had success getting the first two issues for me. And it's been quite a while since I read them. Realized, I should come back to close off my thoughts on these....

Overall, very powerful story arc.
Going into the first issue, I enjoyed the silhouette work, which suited the story very nicely (As opposed to just being a gimick.)
The drawn stuff was very grim. gaaah.
The theme about "what are we?" "what am I without swords?"  was a lot of fun to see being explored in the comics.
But Leo impaled on his own sword, aiyeeee. And of course, the consequences of being soo self absorbed in his own misery and feelings of guilt or worthlessness, that his whole family could be taken out. Somehow understated, maybe it's just my interpretation, but one of the answers there was family. Even though in the next issue, there's still a withdrawal there, too.

Of course, leading into issue 2...it's past the thought of sacrifice himself to attone, but it's "well if I don't use my swords no one will get hurt" idea?
Cutting a tree in half with a stick. I liked the weird twist there.
Then the thing of being rousted out inertia, and rising out of self doubt...but that cycle wasn't finished and so into issue 3.

Issue 3 I already chatted on, but then issue 4.
The first part made sense in terms of turning from the warrior's path and being banished. The whole attitutude of "yeah whatever", because Leo had become free of the sword by it being stolen.  
When it got to Yumi attacking, and why she had to do it, then Leo had something to protect. And then begins the change--the bandanna comes back, the belt....
Then the part about swords cutting the leaves...ooh classic tale of Japanese swords, that.
And about intent of the wielder.
Then the revelation of the Foot ninja's trickery, playing into the worst enemy being one's own self doubt and guilt. And just when you think it's all nicely wrapped up, the twist--"Kubira thanks you for returning his swords."
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