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« on: December 01, 2006, 12:37:35 AM »

I HATE my family. Hate is a strong word, but I do. I seriously do. I am so sick to death living with such people for the 23 years of my life.

My mother is a controlling female dog, and seriously isn't happy unless she's making me or my brother miserable, and raising hell in the process. There's drama in this house nearly 24/7. She dictates us how to spend our money, what to do, etc. It's like we have to have her permission first before we can do anything! We're 23 and 20 respectively! We're adults, we can judge for ourselves now. It's time to learn lessons of life on our own. We have jobs, and I at least pay for any special food I want, clothes, necessities, car and car insurance, health insurance through my work; deducted from my pay check, a little rent, and internet. Plus, anything extra I should want that I can afford. So it's not like I'm living like a bum with no responsibilities.


My father is no help whatsoever, and just adds fuel to the fire by agreeing to everything she says/does, no matter how off the wall or clearly unfair it is. He never sticks up for his children. My mother just cancelled Christmas (not the first time she's done it), barring everything but a tree because we all agreed to pitch in to buy a live one instead of the white toilet brush she's used for two Christmases, and he goes right along with it. And it's the only reason why we've even bothered to get a tree at all.

I hardly associate with these people anymore because I don't like being with them. It's why I spend most of my time in my room when I'm not at work. I only come out to eat, get a drink, and/or use the bathroom. That's it. I've made my room a virtual prison, and I hate it. It never gets better around here, only worse as they continue to treat us, but especially me, as if we don't have a lick of sense, and like little kids.

She won't listen to us because she thinks she's right no matter what. She doesn't try to understand us as she never sees it from our view, and she never agrees to disagree (Sounds exactly like a certain someone I used to be friends with).

I want to find my own place to live, and get the hell out. Problem is, I don't make that much money for a really nice apartment, but I don't want to get a cheap, run-down of a place in a bad neighborhood either, and I have no one I know that can be my roommate. I don't trust just anyone. I also want the financial flexiblity to still be able to go on once in a while trips like to AnimeNext and such.

I realize I'd have to sacrifice something if I really wanted to to make this work, but I still wish I could be able to have it all. I just don't know what to do. Sad/Down I'm so mentally exhausted dealing with these people whom call themselves parents.

However, I may have found a way out of this house should the opportunity arise, and I think it's too good to pass up. I have a friend from work whose baby I have been babysitting for a few nights, and she needs a new roommate. There's a long, involved story ending up with her situation and why her husband isn't there (off in the military), but the thing is she's soon going to be by herself with the baby once a friend of hers living with her currently gets off his shell and gets a job to move out. He's been loafing around mostly, but does take care of the baby during most of the day, and keeps the apartment up. She's ready to kick him out because he's getting to the point where she can't stand him.

Anyway, I'm hoping if he moves out, I can move in with her, but it won't be until the beginning of the year. Got some stuff to get in order first. We've discussed it, and she loves the idea.

So I bring up the subject to my mom, which I am prepared to have a full-out war with her because she never talks about things with me like a mom and daughter should. She's known to go freaking psycho on me. Like I predicted, she proceeded to shoot it down because she doesn't think it's a good idea. She doesn't have faith in me that I can do it all if I tried.

It doesn't matter what I think; it doesn't matter I'm 23 freakin' years old, she still talks down to me and treats me like a child because she says I act like a child. She never listens to me! She never takes my opinion into consideration because she thinks she knows everything in the whole world, and I don't have common sense or any clue as to how it works. Damn woman! I'm smarter than she thinks.

She was going on how "where are you going to get the money?" "You need to get your facts straight" when I have most of my facts I need. I have an idea how it'll work, but she doesn't think I can do it. I kept telling her to say I couldn't do it because I knew she wanted to, but she kept insisting that wasn't it. And going on how she'll take away my car and sell it if I couldn't keep up the payments, etc. ... It's the same freakin' thing! Why not just outright say it, and be done with it?!

What got her all like this too was because I still want to make the trip to NJ for that convention again in July. "Where's the money going to come from? You ain't going to have anything left" is her response. My answer is "It'll come from somewhere, don't worry." She's all shaking her head, and continues to go on and on. Damn, I just want to slap her in the face and tell her to shut up. I try to defend myself, and tell her to stop talking down to me like a child, because she'll insult me right to my face, and she replies "Don't argue with me. You're still my child."

She's constantly contradicting herself! Say one thing, and then turn around and say something else. It would be terribly funny if it wasn't so maddening.

This is the reason my wings are kept constantly clipped, and I can't fly off anywhere. I'm tired of this *insert swear here*. I don't have to do what she wants anymore. I don't have to answer to her. It's my life, and I can do how I see fit with it. If I want to move in with my friend, then by God I will!
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2006, 01:02:25 AM »

I have to agree with you here Mystic.  Though I don't your mom, or her side of the story I do know that people can't ever let themselves be held down.

I saw a friend of mine get really bad off because of her folks.  She was even trapped away from her friends... they were giving her meds when she shouldn't have them... the person that I did see when I finally got through, wasn't the same person I saw only a few months before hand.  Though within a few weeks after getting through to her, we got her out of there.  She's living on her own now, has a job and takes care of herself totally.  

Do I regret getting involved and helping her out of there?  Not at all!  I'm very happy to see her, and know that she's gotten so much better than where she was going.  I'm very proud of her!

Her folks had a fit when she was taken from there, they were pizza'ed at us for helping her.  They had big blow ups, and were telling her she wouldn't make it if she left them.  Though she didn't give up all contact with them, she still goes to visit them... she still eats over there from time to time, and her mom gives her rides to work.   She's got a good relationship with her parents and it took moving out to fix that relationship.  

Same has gone with other friends who were having problems with their folks... once they moved out from there parents house things got better between them and their folks.   So when you get out, you may want to try and renew that friendship with your folks and see if there's more there than what was there before.  Just give them time to calm down.

And ya know I'm online a lot, so if ya ever need to chat just IM me Happy/Smile

Good Luck with all of this!!!
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2006, 04:40:33 AM »

Quote from: "Leonardo_Mystic"
I HATE my family. Hate is a strong word...


Indeed it is a strong word...be careful about how you use it...

Quote from: "Leonardo_Mystic"
I want to find my own place to live, and get the hell out. Problem is, I don't make that much money for a really nice apartment, but I don't want to get a cheap, run-down of a place in a bad neighborhood either, and I have no one I know that can be my roommate. I don't trust just anyone. I also want the financial flexiblity to still be able to go on once in a while trips like to AnimeNext and such.  I realize I'd have to sacrifice something if I really wanted to to make this work, but I still wish I could be able to have it all.


Forgive me Mystic...but when it comes to situations like these i'm a no-nonsence kind of girl.  Let me bring up a very corny quote "You can't have your cake and eat it too".  You're right...you will have to sacrifice something.  I'm sorry but it's time to choose what's more important to you.  If those trips to AnimeNext or whatever are more important...and you've already said you don't have the extra money for an apartment if you go on those trips...then you have to stay at home with your parents.  If you do...then it's your choice and you won't be allowed to complain about them anymore (you can't vote for a party in the government...then complain about how they run things...).  However, if you really dislike it there as much as you say you do...then you'll find a way to move out and put off those trips for another time.  It's up to you to decide what's more important in your life...Anime conventions come and go...your sanity will only last so long...

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It doesn't matter what I think; it doesn't matter I'm 23 freakin' years old, she still talks down to me and treats me like a child because she says I act like a child. She never listens to me! Damn woman! I'm smarter than she thinks.


Prove it then.  You are 23 years old...you are big and ugly enough (I mean pretty!    Razz   ) to make your own choices now.  You don't need permission from your parents, you don't even have to explain yourself to them.  However, the choice to explain yourself and your plans proves that you're mature.  Here's my suggestion.  Work out a plan for yourself (perhaps you and your brother could go in on rent somewhere together?) and put things down on paper.  You have to think of all the costs (utilities, rent, your income, etcetc) and just have figures out on paper.  Show them to your mom...not for her approval...but to show her your plans on what to do.  Make it clear (calmly) that you aren't seeking her approval, then leave if she turns angry.  If you're 'smarter then she thinks'...you have to play the part.  Here's the fuel to her fire...

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What got her all like this too was because I still want to make the trip to NJ for that convention again in July. "Where's the money going to come from? You ain't going to have anything left" is her response. My answer is "It'll come from somewhere, don't worry." She's all shaking her head, and continues to go on and on.  I try to defend myself, and tell her to stop talking down to me like a child, because she'll insult me right to my face, and she replies "Don't argue with me. You're still my child."


If you want her to stop talking to you like a child, then stop behaving like one (not saying you act like one all the time of course  Wink  ).  If you don't know where money for a little convention will come from...how will you pay for the rent, utilities, etcetc?  If you don't have money for the convention, the worst thing that can happen is you won't get to go.  Big deal.  If you don't have money for rent and other things like that...you'll get evicted, you'll go hungry, etcetc.  THIS is what you're mom's thinking.  You have to think like your mom...BE the mom...use the force!!  If she asks a question like 'where's the money going to come from', give her a real answer.  You'll save for it by putting so much money from each check away in a savings account, you'll take extra shifts at work to earn extra money, you'll take on a second job if necessary.  Any of those responses would work and if she is still upset after that, just walk away.  You gave your response, don't fuel the fire.  If she wants to argue with herself...then let her...you have better things to do.

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This is the reason my wings are kept constantly clipped, and I can't fly off anywhere.  I don't have to do what she wants anymore. I don't have to answer to her. It's my life, and I can do how I see fit with it.


Your wings have not been clipped, you just haven't been taught how to fly yet.  You're right, you don't have to do what she wants.  It is your life and you can do with it what you want.  The question is...how will you handle this newfound freedom?  Will you flaunt it in your mother's face...or handle it with maturity and simply live your life as you want to...the choice is yours.

One more question for you.  Why are you letting your mom control your money?  If you have a job you should have a couple of options when it comes to getting paid.  First, open a bank account that she won't have access to.  If you get a check, simply deposit the check there.  If you have direct deposit, just change the banking info to your new account.  

Wow...that was a long one!  Besides the 'hate', I understand where you're coming from and agree with you on most of it.  I hope my advice will be helpful to you, i've helped a lot of friends in the same situation as you.  Just remember to lose the emotion when you're dealing with it.  Attitude reflects maturity and you want to prove that you are mature enough to handle your own life.  I know I can come off as sounding blunt at times...but that's who I am.  Like I said, i'm a no-nonsence kind of girl.  All of what i've said today, it's meant to make you think and to help you.  Good luck.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2006, 12:06:27 AM »

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One more question for you.  Why are you letting your mom control your money?  If you have a job you should have a couple of options when it comes to getting paid.  First, open a bank account that she won't have access to.  If you get a check, simply deposit the check there.  If you have direct deposit, just change the banking info to your new account.


She's not controlling my money, but she tries to by sticking her nose into my business. I do have my own bank account, which she cannot access, and have had one since I started working several years ago. I have quite a bit of money saved.

Well, there is better news to report. I talked with my friend again at work today, and she told me I didn't have to pay her rent. Just watching the baby in the evenings after I get home from work before she does would be payment enough. Shocked  That her husband? (I'm not sure what's their relationship anymore) would pay it all, and she could have everything except a couple of his things just as long as he stayed gone.

She asked me if that was okay. Hell yeah, it's okay! It certainly put me in a better mood than I was when I came in this morning (I was still pizza'ed at my mom). Of course, I offered to pay her something so I wouldn't feel like I was being a moocher or something, but she said that would earn my room and board. I'll certainly help keep the apartment clean, however, and buy groceries. But it means too I'll get to go to AnimeNext in July, and she's totally cool with that as I asked her about it.

I talked to my mom again when I got home from work. It was a little more civilized than last night, and while she didn't exactly give me her blessing as she's still not thrilled with it, she's not going to stop me either.

I'm really excited about this. I'm kind of nervous with change, but I think it'll be an adventure, and I can finally start to live life.  Very Happy/Big Grin
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 09:42:19 PM »

Yeah, moving out...striking out on your own is a big, big deal, and it'll be very tough living with your friend, but it's a start...your relatioship with your family will most likely improve, and you'll do a lot of growing...when I got kicked out, and once I got over my own trauma (heh...bad as your situation may seem, at least there's no abuse involved...mine was mild compared to others, but it would have been deadly if I stayed there much longer) enough to actually live in a place with my now hubby, I was stunned at how much I'd changed...you'll be stunned at the changes you see in yourself, too.

There'll be a lot of sacrifice, and you won't be able to do everything you want to, but being more independant is worth it in the end.

Best of luck!
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2006, 11:08:37 PM »

I agree with what others say here. There's that point in time when it's time. Time to take the first steps to independence. Even with parents that are wonderful, that really helped prepare you, there's that point where you know it's time.
It's scary, stepping out from the comforts of home. I'm sure it's scary for your mom to think of you leaving the nest, too, even if your relationship is a bit rocky. But after a while, you'll be so happy you did it. And maybe, after some time and you prove you're successful at it, it might improve your relationship with your mother.
And yes, I agree with others that you are going to have to face that you might not be able to do much travelling or things like conventions for a little while, until you find ways to improve your career situation and income (and DO make sure you do that!), but the trade off of making your own way into the world will be worth it. And the conventions are not going to go away, and the fans to meet up with are not going to go away. Everyone that matters to you should understand your financial situation, and not put you down for it, because you're starting out the process of living on your own. Just because some can go to a lot of conventions does not make them more important in fandom than those who can't go to any!!
Starting with a room mate is a great way to do it, so you can start acquiring furniture, dishes, and other stuff you need for a time when maybe you'll want to be on your own. Do be sure to establish ground rules, responsibilities, expectations, and boundaries--even between friends, that is critical for successful rooming. And just because your roomie's situation sounds a bit precarious to me, be careful not to get messed up in anything between her and her husband. Moving from your family drama into someone else's drama is not going to help you attain your goals, and will only mess you up. Hopefully you'll both find mutual support and friendship from this! She could probably use a good friend at a time like breaking up with a husband?
Best wishes to you!!
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