Jealous Fans

[Michaelangelo]

Hey all,

I need to rant and get a breath out.... this post is to vent about a certain someone, she'll know who she is.  Though I won't let it be personal so I'll leave the name off of this post.  It's about stuff that has been going on elsewhere on the net as of recently, some of which hasn't even been said or done towards me, though I hear what my friend is going through and it just upsets me so much to think this kind of harassment is going on out there.

I'm getting annoyed by people are controlled by their jealousy.  Everyone gets jealous, no one is perfect.  I know this, I've gotten jealous a million times in my life.  Be it over some of the stupidest things to some really big things, and when I was younger I was loud about it, though these days I nod my head in respect to the people who are getting stuff that I could only dream of (most of which being dream jobs, and now stuff like watching artist being able to draw without pain or people who can go on to a work place and live a normal life, don't seem much to most people, but means the world to me).    Being jealous if people like it or not is a part of life which we all go through at some point or another.   And kids don't understand the feeling, though once people become teenagers and adults they start to learn these feelings and can split them from what is really going on to how they feel about it.  Though more and more, I learn some people can't.

People being controlled by jealously won't even admit to being jealous.  They'll just find reasons to be mad at the person they're jealous of... 'why does that person get that when I don't' type thing.  Now it sounds harmless right?  Why should anyone worry about this, for a long time I swept that kind of stuff under the table.  I know I do stuff that people are jealous over, be it the traveling, the collection or the people I've met.  Though I don't stop anyone from doing these things, everyone is more than welcome to go to events, meet the guest or collect what ever they want.   When someone really wants something, they can put their hearts to it.  I've come to believe this as a true statement.

Right now there is a person out there going to call this person Envy.  Envy has a strong love for certain medias, and wants to be able to be big in the fandom of those medias.   Thinking that she is big, Envy comes online and meets people who are also fans but have done more than she has in the fandom.  They don't stop her, but they share the media events with her and the other fans, Envy starts to feel walked on like they're telling this stuff to say they're better than the other fans.  But she doesn't know or meet these fans in person to know how they really act when doing the events that are in question.  The fans don't mean to upset anyone and feel that shareing these events is something they should be allowed to do, for anyone who is interested, no one is forced to read their reviews or look at their pictures.  Though Envy starts to get mad with every post.   And than Envy writes up posts complaining about people sharing their stuff and disappears from that area of fandom.

Now Envy keeps a grudge, feeling as if these people did it in means of hurting her.  When the fans she just blew up at, are a bit confused and than go on with their lives.  Envy though is still mad at these people and watches them in other areas, and starts to destroy the their name in those areas as well.  Jumping in and starting fights for no real reason.  Making it harder on fans who are just doing stuff that they enjoy and have the right to do.  

The events that us fans do are open to the public, they are fan friendly, and anyone is welcome to come to the meet ups.  I personally encourage it, and point out that you can save up for an event by putting $10 to $20 aside for a year, than pick a convention and go.  If you go to an event that I'm at, more than likely if I've already met that guest I will let others in front of me in line, so that others have that chance to see the person they're there to see.  I also only raise my hand in panels to ask questions if I don't see others raise their hands, to help keep the panel moving (quiet panels are no fun for the guest or the fans).  So it's not like I'm hogging the guest at these events to myself, but just being there apart of an event that I paid to go to, and this goes the same for everyone else who goes to these events.

Now Envy doesn't want to think of these fans online, like myself, as normal fans.  Instead she's going to say they're keeping the guest all to themselves.  She says they're stalking the guests.  She starts to paint an ugly picture of these fans, even though she personally has never met them.   And she goes around spreading rumors about these fans, even if they are no longer a part of her life.

Real Life done towards me : I haven't talked to Envy in almost a year and Envy contacts a convention I'm going to and says that I'm a stalker and tries to warn them to watch out for me that I'm nothing but trouble.  What have I personally done to Envy?  Nothing.   So where does Envy have the right to attack me, she doesn't.   But she feels she does.  

Real Life towards another friend of mine : Envy sees this friend on a message board and than makes a post telling the friend to leave the message board and to never contact the guest that this fan likes again and to just leave him alone.  Publicly calling this friend of mine a stalker online, yet this friend only sees the so called guest at public events, she doesn't search up his home life at all, and will respect how close she will let him.  And the guest at hand has called this friend of mine, a friend.  So he realizes that she is not by any means harm or stalking him.  She is a fan, that is it.

Envy calls us selfish, though most everyone I've met on here are respectful people willing to give everyone at the convention their chance to meet the guest.  She calls us stalkers, yet she fails to realize that I am a fan of TMNT (they're not real characters so you can't stalk them), I enjoy meeting the actors but refuse to treat any different than the other actor because I respect all of their work.  So by this, I won't follow any one actor who worked on TMNT, if I like a show that one of the TMNT actors work on, it's not because the actor is there but because I really like the show.   Last year at an event, a guy came up in front of one of the actors and asked me what all he's been in, I told the guy of this guest TMNT connections and than said sorry to the guest... "I respect you as an actor and love your work on Turtles, though I don't follow all of your work."  The actor smiled and said that was what he liked about me.    So these rumors that Envy is trying to start about certain fans are NOT able to even be backed up.

Why does this upset me so much?  Because, others believe what they read.  And it's not me right now that she's attacking and threatening to contact conventions and lie saying that this friend is a stalker.  It's a friend of mine, and I already know for a FACT that she's tried to do this to me.  (Failed to realize that I don't just get to know the guest at events, I make friends with co goers and staff at almost every event I go to).

I would love to see this harassment stopped.   Though how do you get through to someone that they are acting from being jealous, and not even seeing the real person that they are acting like this towards?  There is so much more towards each of us online, no one can truly show themselves for who they are through the internet.  Sometimes I like someone more online, sometimes I like someone more off line... it's still the same person, but differences can be learned from both worlds.  And unless you truly know someone than it is wrong to judge them.

I am not saying Envy is a bad person.  She seems to have plenty of friends who care about her, and have done some things in her life as well that others were super impressed with.  Though I'm just saying that Envy is going too far with her jealous actions towards people who do things that she wants for herself.  She calls us selfish, but we're not stopping anyone or getting in anyones way to do the things that we do.  If people come to me and ask for help meeting the guest because they're shy I will help them with out a second thought and step back to let them visit with the guest.  So if Envy truly wants what she's saying we're being selfish about, she could of talked with us on more one to one level and we may have been able to help her in her goals.  Its sad when people jump to an attack option before seeing the full picture.

[WolfofMibu]

I know who you are speaking of, she has also tried to start stuff with me.

It's sad but it has gotten to the point where I have to watch what I say in certain areas just to keep from being bombarded by this "fan".

My best advice is if anything she posts is on a public page or forum "print screen" what she wrote (so that she can't take it down later or claim you fabricated it) and send it to the mods, web master in charge and show how she is harassing you. In terms of conventions, most con staffs will note a letter like the one she sent but without any proof won't really do anything. And it sounds like all she is doing honestly is making herself look like a complete idiot.

Overall your best defense is NEVER to reply to her. I think she hates me more because every time she has PMed me demanding information on how to contact this guest she loves I have never replied. I won't be bullied or harassed by her.

It is the guests choice if they choose to talk to me, she has no right to say anything to me about it.

Hopefully this advice helps and I send out hugs to both you and your friend and hope the best for you guys. Sometimes I really wish people could just use integrity and respect with others. Sadly some people get so clouded by emotions that they become unable to.

[CriticalCrittles]

I agree with both Ivey and Blue as far as what was said here....I think this person also needs to realize that you can't own fandom, it's for everyone. It's not about being the number one fan just to get the attention, but sadly I think they may think that IS what it's about. Voice actors don't like any one fan more then the other really as far as I've seen, they love all their fans equally....unless you start to get creepy on them....which I think this person needs to be aware of they are starting to get that way. I'd hate for this person to suddenly be feared by a voice actor they admire so very much, but I've heard stories that this voice actor already has had trouble with creepy fans in the past so....yeah, maybe they should be made aware of that.

Also, I think that if this voice actor knew or ever heard of what this person was trying to do to you and your friend, Ivey, that the voice actor would lose all respect for the person, and maybe even consider THEM the creepy stalker, especially being the voice actor KNOWS you and your friend and considers you both to be their FRIENDS, but doesn't know this person at all.

Maybe this person should keep that in mind, eh?  

[Leonardo_Mystic]

Wow. That is insane.

She's obviously obsessed with trying to destroy others with her issues. I think the mentality behind it, and which is usually what it is more often than not, is that she's miserable with her own life, so she wants to make other people's lives miserable. I don't think she realizes she's exactly what she accuses Ivey, Wolf, Crittle, etc. of. She's hurting a lot of people, and she doesn't even know what they're like outside of her obsecured view.

Eventually, she'll learn her lesson, but it might be too late by then. She will have already sealed a reputation that will haunt her everywhere.

[BubblyShell22]

I couldn't agree more. This person needs to seriously grow up and take a look at her actions. Sometimes people can be so immature. I hope this person gets reported and banned. No one should have to put up with that crap.

[Shredder]

If it's who I think it is (person started one way, then wound up another), best too just ignore them altogether.  Unless conventions get COMPLETLEY new staff members, you already know the folks at these places, so they know not too listen to this person.    In fact, If I didn't want to be seen as bitter or denying someone else a chance to get into a con, I'd be warning the convention about this person myself.

I've been jealous of people in the past, but I keep it too myself.  I try not too take it out on anyone, as I'm not mad at the person I'm jealous of, but more at myself for not being able to get the same success rate.  I don't have a job I like, I'm not really respected by my familly (feels more like tolerated), and every time I've tried to change all that has more or less failed miserably.  I'm still stuck in the same rut I was ten years ago with no way out...  

But I still try to keep a happy attitude because I can't stand too be depressed for more than an hour and want  too laugh again, heh.

It's when you don't realize stuff like this that you start too enter crazy territory.  Thankfully I don't think I'm there yet .

[Buslady]

I'd tell this "envy" person to shove it where the sun dont shine...but that's the raph in me and honestly I'm too (@#*&$ nice to really tell someone off unless it REALLY hits home or you threaten my kid.  > Let them be jealous punks, poo on them. They dont like it, fooey on them.  > The slander could get them in big trouble too.
just a side note-
Im glad theres a couple folks who know things I don't know, you spread the news and inform. Meet ups are fun, it's nice to see people I talk to online and honestly, thats the main reason I go to comicon to SEE you guys. Last Friday was the best time I've had so far at any con. I had no idea Michelan was there; I'd have had no idea if it werent for alla you guys.  And helping Leo, that was fun too. I know I'm probably the least social but I like to see those I know online. I'm rambling....

[Nightwatchersonlygirl]

That has happened to me someone had the green eye monster why just because I loved Nightwatcher not them they kept saying that Nightwatcher was their
boyfriend I can tell you that really hurts so much      Nightwatcher Is the only one that keeps me going

Phew what a lot off my chest!

[Leonardo]

Im glad theres a couple folks who know things I don't know, you spread the news and inform. Meet ups are fun, it's nice to see people I talk to online and honestly, thats the main reason I go to comicon to SEE you guys. Last Friday was the best time I've had so far at any con. I had no idea Michelan was there; I'd have had no idea if it werent for alla you guys.  And helping Leo, that was fun too. I know I'm probably the least social but I like to see those I know online. I'm rambling....

And I had a blast at this year's Con, too! This was my fave one for the past few years.
The surprise guests (TMNT and otherwise), the surprise TMNT fans attending, the wonderful help you and others provided while wearing my Leo costume, the two surprise pros we met because they saw the Leo costume, the new people I met with my cosplay on Sunday....
It's those interactions and the community of fans sharing info, interests and diversities, support and comradeship that I enjoy.
For people like the envy person that is going to miss out on this kind of fun? Their loss....

--added
After finishing my Comic Con write up...some thoughts occurred to me.
If people spend their time and energy on tearing others down, picking people apart for every little fault, being resentful, jealous, or other negative focused things, it's as I noted in my other post. Nothing good can ever come of that energy. Only dissent, hurt, and hate. I wonder if the person is really ever happy inside themselves, but I doubt they will find true happiness on that kind of path. How is trying to mess up someone else's life, or bring someone down a good thing?
If people spent their time and energy challenging themselves to overcome those easy to be negative tendencies, to focus on positive things and others strengths, learn to communicate to forgive mistakes, have at least respect for others where you can't have friendship, then it's a whole different place. Good things will come from that. And it's darn sure hard to do, but it certainly makes for a more peaceful life and a happier outlook. Live and let live kind of thing....

[Michaelangelo]

LOL LOL LOL

Ok, sharing this with everyone here just because well I find it amusing that this same fan the topic was started about is STILL talking about us.

Update info on the LOST Kappa Mikey interview. OK guys sometime last year, we where promised by Animation Collective & Michael S that we'd get an interview. But for some odd reason we have received nothing. I have been very patient but lately my patience is a little thin after I found out a few things.

Here goes some info you guys should be aware of.

1. Whoever was *****'s contact for AC is doing a poor job forwarding the email to MIke S or 2. His asst is 1 lil mean thing to NOT give him the interview. (But ***** sure answered her's but won't give Michael his. (FYI: ***** is Mike's asst)

The banned member Crittles who got an interview from Michael Sinterniklaas days later, then posted it, and bragged was partly lying to us. Mike never WILLINGLY gave her anything. This creep along with a few others creeps chased & ambushed Michael at Anime Next, surrounded him with cameras and made him answer questions. according to a reliable source who was with Mike at the time, finally informed me of this.

This is total bull, IMO. ************* doesn't deserve that! None of you do. You all worked hard asking questions, been patient, some of you stood up for me when Studio Kanji & Crittles both claimed Mike personally invited Crittles to do a personal interview with him. That which is a bogus lie too.

I have met MIke twice, he really is a nice guy. ONe of the sweetest guys you will ever meet but I do pity him with these creepy fans. However I will see to it that Mike does answer our interview cause KMF deserves it.

Stay Tuned.


P.S. If a Michele Ivey, Crittles have been in contact with any of you, please discontinue contact because if you are associated with her or them, we can not associate. Why? After ******* & I have experienced 2 conventions of being stalked and ambushed by Michele Ivey & once by Crittles I have to say that's messed up. If the ******** needs escorts around her then there is a problem.

LOL LOL

Ok folks I have to reply to this, but no way am I going to go over to this other board where all she's done is spread lies.

1. The interview with Michael, was agreed upon by Michael with no problem.  We did not surround him with cameras as there was only my camera and a tripod.  We stayed out in the open on the stairs for the front door of Anime Next.  He was even fussy about the lighting of the shot, so you know it wasn't like he was annoyed.  The interview took a long time, because Mike gave long answers.  People who don't want to be interviewed give short answers to get it done faster.

2. LOL!  Stalked?  LOL!  Ok, I wanted to try and clear things up with me and Envy.  Since for sure she does not know me at all.  I saw her at three cons now, the first one I went up and introduced myself hoping to talk but it was cut very short. I went up to her another time and asked her to make some time to talk, cause we need to be able to clear things up.  Though she avoided me.  The next Con I ended in the same room with her at Katsucon for a panel, so I tried to say hi there.  She totally blew me off.  *shrug*  Than she was at NYC Comic Con this last weekend and I didn't even try to say hello to her, just saw her walk by a few times.

Interesting view on stalking.   I also find it interesting on how much she attacks us.  Only reason I tried to talk to her, was to get this cleared up because before she attacked us I didn't have any personal problems with her.  She is the one doing the attacking with calling conventions and telling them we're stalkers, with posting junk like this on the web.

But because I found this amusing and because I know she reads these forums from time to time... I just had to reply.

I am 100% sure that we are not trouble for Michael S.  I would like it if she'd stop going around and lieing... I hope she gets her interview that she wants so badly, and that she gets to meet him many more times, because I have no ill will against her.  I just hope that some day down the road, she either gives up on these personal or attacks or at least come up and talk to us to get this cleared up.

Oh lol one more thing about her saying she had a witness to our interview with Mike... that is so funny, because no one else was on the steps when we started the interview, it was awhile after the con was over.  *shrug*  guess her witness was the invisible man

P.S. All forum names and member names were removed to protect the identity of Envy and the message board that she posts at.

[Leonardo_Mystic]

I can't figure out what her deal is. First, she was jealous because she wasn't able to go to conventions to see Mike, but now she can. So, now what is she jealous of? The fact that you're good friends with him or what is it? I'd really like to know what's in this girl's head. Because all I can come to the conclusion from what I hear of this situation is that she's certifiably nuts.

[Calypso]

It's sad how some people act at times.  It really is.

[Kazari]

This idiot girl needs to get off of her soap box.

[moronqueen]

Poor child has some serious issues.

I don't care what her real age is, she's acting like a teenager with the coping skills of a 5 year old fighting over a crush or something...

[Raphael]

She STILL hasn't grown up at all?

Sheesh.

[Phoenix]

No, she hasn't grown up at all. And what's sad... is that people believe her. 

[Michaelangelo]

Not sure what her real deal is... though when she does open her eyes and realize what's going on... she's going to realize she walked over a lot of people who would of been her friends.  I tried to be her friend, and because I guess I didn't talk to her enough she felt I wasn't.  *shrug* her loss.

Anyone who knows me, knows that I don't stalk people... though they also know I get amused by people over acting about things.  As long as I know the truth about myself, nothing she says is going to hurt me.

And if people seek the truth, it's in the open and easy to find.  Same can be said for Crittle, she's a great person and it shows when people take that time to get to know her, or even just read her stuff.

[BubblyShell22]

All I have to say is that this girl has some serious issues and needs to grow up fast. It's awful that she's slandering you guys and calling you stalkers. What a jerk! I could think of many more names, but I can't say them here. Just keep your chins up, guys. You know who you are and Mike S. knows you guys. That's all that matters in the long run.

[Shredder]

I said in another chat session somewhere that it almost sounds like someone who was recomended to do some interviews with me and the 4Kids gang.

I had gotten way to used to Mindy's professional way of doing them, and said I'd just rather wait for her to become available rather than have an entire interview chance go down the tubes if it went wrong with someone new....
Well, that's when the crap hit the fan and I was told this person felt like people where abandoning them left and right.  I deleted their aim nick soon after that.. 

One more reason why I am glad I am not a famous personality...

[Gobbledygook]

-You're right Ivey, there are those who never grow out of their selfish ways. 

     I can relate because I have a friend that proclaims TMNT Fandom for his own, like it's his instant newfound identity.  He started hanging out with me and I was giving him some comics and extra figures to hook him up with some as a friend.  Every time I would talk with my girlfriend or with him about a certain comic I was looking for he would ebay it, buy it and then bring it over to my house to flaunt that he had it and I didn't.  It was hurtful to have my supposed friend just jump into instant TMNT Super Fandom and start buying things that I have been collecting, searching, and sharing with others for a long time.  Then he would rub it in.  You just don't do that to your friends.  I have even gone out of my way to get him original figures and comics that he specifically wanted just because he was my friend.  It got to the point where I couldn't even take him to comic book shops with me anymore because he would try and buy up all the issues I was specifically looking for.  Not only did he do that with TMNT Comics, but with Green Arrow comics too.  I could care less if he bought the comics because he genuinely liked them, and happened to come across them before me, but he was gloating about it, not only to me but to my other friends as well.  It just hurt my feelings ya know?  He scams on my TMNT collection and I have even seen him log into my ebay account on my computer, look into my Watched items, and start bidding on them with his own account.  The last time I went to Con my "friend" actually cut in front of me while I had been waiting in line to meet Eastman last year (08).  I would have gladly let him in front of me no problem, but I didn't even get to offer yet. I would never do that to anyone!  It's like he just wants to tick me off.

Regardless of all that though, Ivey you are a cool Uber-Fan!  You are respected and a genuinely awesome person from what I can tell.  There is no reason for Envy to act like that towards you as well as spread bogus rumors about stalking fans and junk.  I can vouch that you were totally cool at the San Diego Comic Con.  You were even letting friends before you in the line to meet Eastman.  You considered possible alternatives to getting me into the Galabunga Party at Con, and even though I missed out I still greatly appreciate the thought.  Besides, you even let me see the official Combat-Coldcuts, a TGRI Jumpsuit, and your Epic Shirt-O-Autographs!  You barely even met me, yet you were still cool to me.  Thanks for being awesome!   

[Michaelangelo]

Wow this is an old topic heh, but yea she's still around.  In fact a few months ago I was talking to a friend who met up with Envy at a con.  She didn't know who they were... or that they had any connection to me.  But because they've gone to events with me and saw me avoiding bumping into her, they knew who she was.  I always tell my friends not to judge someone because of me, so when they met her on their own they made friends with her - though with the knowledge not to let on that they know me -

According to them, without even bringing me up she did... she brought me up and how evil I am... and how I some how attacked her at a convention.  So I know even now she's still spreading lies about me.  Oh well, those who are curious about the truth can meet me.  I don't bite   Or attack.

- About your friend, that doesn't sound like a real friend to me.  There's a limit to what friends can do, and going onto your ebay account to start bidding on what you want is passing the line, unless he's doing it for Christmas for ya... he shouldn't be bidding out the things you want.  It's more like something a grade school bully would do, than a friend.

Yes I have competed with friends over items that I've got.  But that's what Ebay is and the only things that I did that for is things I really wanted.  And later helped that friend get the same item.  It's a two way street in collecting, if you help those who are into it later they may help you as well.  We're stronger as friends than enemies and can work together to help each other with collections..  and not just collections, but meeting people, going places, and just all around being there for the fandom.  ([:{-)

*baps your friend*

[Gobbledygook]

Yeah, sadly he didn't bid on the same items for the sake of a gift.   I completely agree with ya, sometimes collecting has it's occasional competitive issues, but there are standards.  While I am collector, I do not get jealous, I just appreciate.  If someone has something that I don't, I don't become a jealous wreck I simply appreciate what they have.  I feel honored that they even showed me or shared it with me in the first place.  I have this subconscious rule that if a friend has a bigger collection, or has been a fan longer than me in something I make sure they get it whatever it is first.  Then I'll search for it myself.  I as well agree that collecting is a 2 way street; for example if there was something that you were looking for I'd keep an eye out for you first since you are and have been for a long time the epically proclaimed Turtles' fan, because I respect you and your collection.  Especially because you have worked really hard to build up your outstanding collection.

[Leonardo the 2nd]

One question: How was your friend able to log into your ebay account? Did he simply try out passwords to get in or did you give it to him some day earlier? If so, I would change the password...

[Gobbledygook]

I never gave him the password.  When he would hang out at my house I never really minded if he used my computer, you know to check his Myspace or whatever. He would then click my ebay link from my favorites and then if I had logged in previously it would have my user name and password already saved.  Then he would just click sign-in.  Now after every time I log in, I make sure to either click for windows to not remember my password and I clear my browser's private data.  I just didn't think about it before because you would think that when your friends are over you could trust them.  Me and him have been friends for a long time, so I never thought he would do something like that.  It just goes to show that sometimes you just can't trust everyone. 

[BubblyShell22]

Well, Gobbledygook, I'd say this friend of yours isn't a true friend. True friends don't do that to each other no matter what. Have you spoken with him about all of this and how it hurts you? Maybe you should let him know that it hurts you that he's acting this way. Just remember to try to be as nice as you can about it. I know it makes you mad, but if you come off all angry you won't get anything done. Just try to be nice about it and tell him how you feel. If it doesn't work, then just tell him that if he continues to act in this manner, he isn't acting like a true friend. That's what I'd do.