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[darth shredder]

marvel published the tmnt comics


imahine the possibilites

[Michaelangelo]

I like a lot of stuff that Marvel makes, but I don't think I'd want to see Marvel publishing TMNT.  I just think we'd loose something with it.  Maybe if they only did a temp series.

[Danceingfae]

I have to agree with Mikey on this. I do think Marvel does some awesome work (As well as DC and a few other comics). They just don't seem to fit TMNT to me as a base publisher.

I would be interested to see what they would come up with on a side note though.

[Phoenix]

Ok, duh, I'm a Marvel fan. But that aside, they'd screw up the turtles too quickly after getting a good writer. Then there'd be so much retcon action going on. It wouldn't be a pretty sight. Besides... since the Scarlet Witch said "No more mutants"... they probably would have been reverted back to actual turtles

[Amicitia]

Well, I would really like a good TMNT/X-Men crossover. It seems so easy. But TMNT actually being written by Marvel? Not so much.

[Raphael]

It TMNT went to Marvel, or DC, we'd have rewritten origin stories every 12 issues or so.

Crossovers'd be cool, though.

[AristaNiara]

I'll only write part of my feeling about TMNT being written by Marvel...especially since if I wrote what I truly think, I'd be flamed off TMNT-L.

Bad enough I don't entirely like Marvel (but please don't get me wrong, I do give credit to Marvel where it's due in terms of making unforgetable characters), but I honestly wouldn't want to see TMNT written by Marvel for two major reasons:

1.) TMNT would probably change from being the lovable team of 4 that we know to possibly something completely different.  Let's face it, we already read fan fics and get annoyed when we see something that is so out of character it's not funny like Leo carrying a machine gun or something like that.  So many of us might see a few out of character issues and then we'd get mad and stop reading it, dubbing it as "aggrivatingly out of character".

2.) Too many spin offs can ruin a comic book.  Let's take X-Men for instance on this one.  Wolverine has his own comic book, The original X-Men have there own, then there's the whole X-Men spin off starring Shadow Kat (I don't know if I spelled her name right).  For TMNT, what would happen?  Casey Jones gets his own comic book called "Hockey Avenger"?  Mikey gets his own called "Turtle Titan"?  Or Maybe April gets her own?  I'm just afraid of the spin offs that might end up coming to light.

[Michaelangelo]

Well now Archie had their spin offs with stuff like the April O'Neil 3 parter, the Mighty Mutanimals, and such and it never was frowned upon by those who read it.  So I don't totally agree with ya with spin offs being a bad thing.  I like spin offs, cause it's character growth of other characters. 

Though I agree about out of character things being annoying, but it happens even within the comics that are out there.  You see stuff even in Mirage that is out of character (Like Mike kicking an old lady for trying to help Klunk).  No matter where you go, how you view the character and how the writer of an issue views them don't always match up.  Gotta take it with a grain of salt.

[Phoenix]

Spinoffs never bother me, as long as they explore different areas and characters than what the original is exploring. Yeah, X-Men have a many different titles, but all explore a different area. Wolverine deals with Wolverine stuff with Weapon X, Japan, etc. Uncanny I think deals with the space stuff. Astonishing is dealing with the stuff going on Earth and such. The New X-Men deals with the teenage group. X-Force deals with spy stuff (though I could do without). But they CAN do this because they have SOOOOOOOOOO many members. Ok, so Wolverine is in nearly all the books, but that's turned into an "in joke" at Marvel. But do we see the Fantastic Four having multiple spinoffs? Nope, and that works for them. Besides, if it were not for spinoffs we never would have a good Deadpool!

I agree that it probably wouldn't work for the TMNT, but I don't think Marvel would go that route. They may do mini-series out the wazoo, but that's about it.

And of course it would change how the characters are portrayed, that would happen no matter which company aside from Mirage got a hold of it. For that matter, even different writers can change how characters are portrayed. That's why retconning is used as much as it is today. DC changed their entire universe at one point to do some retconning. And Marvel... well... lol... check out what they did to poor Spidey during the "One More Day" and "Brand New Day" crap. Insanity.

[Raphael]

I may be wrong here, but I believe that Arista's referring to a spin off as being a regular series, rather than a small mini-series. Spin offs can work but, in a lot of cases, it depends on what's being spun off.  In your examples, Mike, you mention one regualar series and one mini-series. Both worked, but why?  I think the mini-series worked for April because, as you say, there's character growth and such that you might not see if the character only appeared in the original series. The Mutanimals worked because they were new characters, introduced in TMNT, then spun off.  They didn't take Leo, or Casey or Klunk and give them their own ongoing series, taking them away from the original series.

Works that way for TV, too. For instance - Happy Days (ok, yeah, seriously dating myself here)    It had a bunch of spin offs, some worked, some didn't:
- Laverne & Shirley: Worked, the characters were introduced on Happy Days, then given their own series.
- Mork & Mindy: Worked, Mork was introduced on Happy Days, then brought to the future for his own series.
- Joanie Loves Chachi: Failed. They took established characters (Joanie, Chachi, Al & Louisa), moved them out of town and gave them new lives. The characters, while popular, weren't good enough to sustain their own show, they need to work off of the other Happy Days characters. Happy Days also suffered by having these characters leave. (the show actually did do well in the ratings, but failed to keep the audience of the show that aired before it, so it was cancelled after one season)

(There were also two other spinoffs, Blansky's Beauties and Out of the Blue, two more spin offs, failed as well - Blansky's Beauties took Arnold off the show (and added Mr C's cousin), while Out of the Blue involved a new character.  We shall not speak of the animated spinoffs, which were really bad...)

[Ninjara]

    A cross-over, maybe, I'm thinking.  But not much more than that.

    I like some of Marvel's stuff, but most of what they do isn't 'down home' enough for me like the Turtles are.  So I never got hooked. *sigh*  

    Sorry, your Darthness, but I think if Marvel did TMNT over a period of time, we would lose what so many of us have found attractive about them.

   That vulnerablity of theirs, and how we relate to them because of how much they are like us in an everyday world.  I don't think Marvel would do many stories with them just basically putzing around at home.  I'd really miss those.  In fact, just typing this up, that's really what I love of about their whole story.  How they interact with each other and their friends in a home setting.  It's great even in the movies.  

    So yeah, if we could wave the magic wand, I'd trust Marvel with a crossover story or so....but not to do TMNT regularly.

    

  

  

[AristaNiara]

I may be wrong here, but I believe that Arista's referring to a spin off as being a regular series, rather than a small mini-series. Spin offs can work but, in a lot of cases, it depends on what's being spun off.  In your examples, Mike, you mention one regualar series and one mini-series. Both worked, but why?  I think the mini-series worked for April because, as you say, there's character growth and such that you might not see if the character only appeared in the original series. The Mutanimals worked because they were new characters, introduced in TMNT, then spun off.  They didn't take Leo, or Casey or Klunk and give them their own ongoing series, taking them away from the original series.

Works that way for TV, too. For instance - Happy Days (ok, yeah, seriously dating myself here)    It had a bunch of spin offs, some worked, some didn't:
- Laverne & Shirley: Worked, the characters were introduced on Happy Days, then given their own series.
- Mork & Mindy: Worked, Mork was introduced on Happy Days, then brought to the future for his own series.
- Joanie Loves Chachi: Failed. They took established characters (Joanie, Chachi, Al & Louisa), moved them out of town and gave them new lives. The characters, while popular, weren't good enough to sustain their own show, they need to work off of the other Happy Days characters. Happy Days also suffered by having these characters leave. (the show actually did do well in the ratings, but failed to keep the audience of the show that aired before it, so it was cancelled after one season)

(There were also two other spinoffs, Blansky's Beauties and Out of the Blue, two more spin offs, failed as well - Blansky's Beauties took Arnold off the show (and added Mr C's cousin), while Out of the Blue involved a new character.  We shall not speak of the animated spinoffs, which were really bad...)

Yes, I was actually refering to the major spin offs.  I don't mind spin offs like Mutanimals because they weren't original characters that have been there since day one or characters like Casey, April, or Klunk.  Mini-Series are fine.  I do agree that they give more character development.  However, taking an already existing character from a comic book and giving them their own show/comic book/movie is way too much for me. 

Crossovers, okay, I can see this being an interesting idea...as long as it doesn't end up like the "TMNT/Power Rangers" crossover that was done with The Next Mutation.  I like to read fan fics that are crossovers since it's probably something that we've all thought about at least once while reading a book, watching a movie, watching a TV show, etc.  However, As long as it's done tactfully and well, then I think this might be an interesting venture.