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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2009, 02:38:03 PM »

OH!  And I saw Stan Sakai's turtles this time in the montage!  Very Happy/Big Grin:D:D:D:D

I wanted to buy the original he had for sale at Comic-Con, but unfortunately I didn't have the $1000.00 to get it.

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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2009, 02:41:24 PM »

It was hilarious. I'm glad I watched it.

The beginning had me laughing so that I missed some stuff, but where Splinter was watching that TV soap in the first scene just cracked me up.

So much to mention, but seeing the MO (Mirage Origin) turtles was a real trip, and yes, agreed on the animated book covers and such, that was so neat.

Heh... I was also amused by how scared the OT turtles were of the NT Raph, and then scarier still, the MO turtles. In a previous comic story, the TMNT had been duplicated by a time anomaly and they were set on killing each other off, thinking the other turtles were imposters. Had a feeling the MO  would react that way... at least until they could be convinced that they all were on the same side.

Then at the end of the battle the MO turtles hang around just long enough for Leo to say something and then they were gone.

Karai looked awesome.

Too bad they had to cut so much out. Agreed on hoping they release a full version on DVD.

Enough said.

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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2009, 03:18:51 PM »

Okay. I enjoyed this movie a lot. Still, I'm going to start with a few things I found disappointing. They certainly didn't ruin anything for me, but it would have just been that little bit more fantastic if they'd been done differently.

Disappointment #1: Turtles don't fight with honor.

When the OT and NT Turtles were having their motto-off, I was sure "Turtles fight with honor!" would be in there. But it wasn't. In fact, I don't think it's in the movie at all.

Disappointment #2: No sushi.

I really enjoyed the scene where NT Leo and NT Raph are in the kitchen with OT Splinter. It was one of the few points where the movie actually slowed down for a minute, and it was a really sweet moment. But I was disappointed that the Turtles never actually ate what Splinter gave them. I thought they would, and then OT Splinter would be delighted with these Turtles who share his appreciation for raw fish. (Especially disappointing because OT Splinter got so little screentime overall.)

Disappointment #3: The abandonment of April.

When I first saw the minute-and-a-half clip of OT April being rescued, I really enjoyed it... but I mistakenly assumed that there was context for it. There wasn't. OT April isn't mentioned or heard from either before or after this scene. It was still enjoyable in itself, but it was bizarrely disconnected from the whole rest of the plot.

Disappointment #4: Shredder Prime is a loser.

It seemed really out of keeping with the tone of the comics, and borderline disrespectful, that the very first Shredder was defeated by some thrown garbage. On the other hand, maybe it was meant to be a joke about how easily the original Shredder was beaten. In that light, it's not so bad.

All right. Now that I have that out of the way, here's a more general review of the plot and the handling of the characters.

In terms of the plot: I had expected this movie to be very light on plot, and to really just be a rapid-fire sequence of fan service. It was not. The original getting-two-universes-to-collide device was pretty contrived, but after that things improved. The first act led very naturally to the second act, and the part about the Utrom Shredder's plot was downright inspired. A meta-plot, almost. (I will never cease to be delighted by meta-anything.) And it made for a completely organic lead-in to the third universe.

I also really liked the backwards progression of the plot: from New Toon, to Old Toon, to original comics. It was a real time trip for the viewer as well as for the characters.

And on that note: the characters. I can't believe we've lived thirteen years without seeing Krang and Shredder bicker like an old married couple. The writers got their relationship spot-on. I thought that maybe Shredder took a little too much initiative in finding his dimensional counterpart (wasn't Krang usually the mastermind behind their plans?) but it worked as a plot device, so I'll forgive him.

It was excellent to see the Utrom Shredder again, and it was nice that Karai also came back (after her strange near-non-existence in Season 7) - she even got character development! Utrom Shredder is still not a particularly interesting character, but his total dominance over OT Shredder, and his appraisal of the Technodrome as pathetic and in need of an upgrade, was great fun to watch.

Still on the subject of the bad guys, I was a little annoyed at first by these pointless five-second scenes that Bebop and Rocksteady kept getting. It seemed to just be saying, "Hey, we brought back these characters who only existed in one universe!" Okay, we get it. Move on. But then, at the end, they turned out to be integral to the defeat of the Utrom Shredder. I thought this was dangerously close to having them be so stupid they destroyed their own boss, but actually they defeated a different Shredder, one whom their own Shredder was no longer allies with, and so in their own bumbling way they served their master and saved everybody. A fitting farewell to a pair of abysmally incompetent, but loyal and well-meaning sidekicks. (And that part would have been weird and sudden without the earlier seemingly-pointless scenes, so I forgive them as well.)

Now. The Turtles. I was impressed at how the writers managed to give all twelve of them pretty equal screentime. Aside from comic Don and Mike, who barely got any lines, but that leads into my next point - the Turtles were written as themselves. It would have been really easy here to retroactively project character traits onto the earlier incarnations, but the writers didn't do that. By and large, they kept the comic and OT Turtles as they were in their own continuities, and not as regressed versions of their later incarnations. Since Don and Mike had no pagetime or character development in the early comic books, I don't mind so much that they don't have it here either.

Some people have said that the OT Turtles in this movie were not themselves, that they were played even goofier than in the '80s toon. I don't think that's such a bad thing. By pushing them a little farther into that silliness, the writers made them distinct from the more serious 2k3 Turtles, and that contrast only served to highlight everything that was lovable about the Old Toon. The OT Turtles, in this movie, weren't so unserious that they were useless, so I don't think the writers went too far on this one.

Another place the writers didn't go too far - tropes of the different canons. I was afraid they would go overboard with things like OT Raph's breaking of the fourth wall, but they didn't. It was in there twice and it was hilarious. Similarly, the dramatic voiceovers of the comic Turtles stopped before they crossed the line from funny to annoying. The writers clearly knew their stuff, but they didn't take the easy route by leaning on elements that were done to death in the different canons. They made nods to these classic iconic elements, and then they got on with the story.

I'll wrap up the character review with a good/bad thing: I did enjoy seeing NT Don overcome his initial impressions of his other self, and learn OT Don's method of percussive maintenance. I would have liked to see the other pairs learning from their counterparts as well. But mostly I thought the interaction between them was good and believable.

A final note: If this movie was intended, at least partially, as the last piece of the New Toon, then I think it failed. For all its flaws, "Wedding Bells and Bytes" was a good ending to the series. Our mutants were reunited as a family, Casey and April got married, and the Turtles' enemies either were destroyed or (inexplicably) seemed to lose interest in fighting them. It was a satisfying conclusion in the sense that you felt the story was over, and there was nothing more to say about it.

This movie largely wrecked that. At the end of it, the NT Turtles go back to their own dimension, but they have no place to go within that dimension. Their home has been destroyed and the public is now aware of the existence of giant Turtles. That's not an ending; that's a set-up for another story.

But maybe we should take that as a hopeful sign. I mean, who would have thought that in 2009 we'd be seeing a new story with the OT Turtles and their universe? Maybe someday we will get another little piece of the NT world as well.

Thank you to everyone who worked on this. To the people who directly made it happen, and to the people who laid all the groundwork over 25 years of loving effort. You have made a lot of fans very happy.

(And looking forward to seeing the full version on DVD someday.  Very Happy/Big Grin )
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2009, 03:44:50 PM »

did anyone notice toka and raza one of the scenes?
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »

Yes - anybody else spot Irma in the 80's street scene?
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2009, 04:38:20 PM »

Man! It was so awesome!  Love

Funny things spotted in movie----
Quite a few things they put in there just for fun! Like, Irma was in the crowd right when the Old and New entered the Old New York! Plus, I could have sworn some of the mutated Purple Dragons looked just like Slash and Tokka! 


Best Parts----
Probably my favorite scenes were the showing off all the other TMNT dimensions!
2k3 TMNT
Movie 1
Movie 2007
TMNT anime
Jim Lawson Style
Dan Berger style
Tons of the artist styles
…man just tons more! I enjoyed pausing the TV and naming them all!

Other great parts…
-No Cody! YAH!   Twisted Evil
-I love the way the movie kinda mocked how the OT walked in public and saved April daily!
…just too many!!!

Over all it was just amazing! Enjoyed pratically every part!


Disappointments----
-I expected more of Old Toon April in it?
- And Old Toon Splinter…
- I’d rather have the 2003 met Old Toon, BTTS kinda bugs me!
- Expected more of April and Casey in it too!
-Why does their lair always get destroyed, kinda annoying. XD

-Why didn’t they actually have Laird and Eastman in it!!! That was my biggest disappointment!!!! Neutral
 





Amazing movie though! Give it a 12 out of 10!!!  Wink

Apparently it’s being shown again? So much for “one time only”…?
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2009, 04:41:54 PM »

I felt it was okay however here were my issues with it:

1.) The Original Cartoon Turtles bashing - I know that the original cartoon turtles were goofballs in a way but I went back and watched a few of episodes of the original cartoon and I kinda felt that they were too goofy.  Also, I also, for some reason, don't see them getting scared and running to someone like a kid to their mother too well.  I was a little peeved with that part.  I also was annoyed with the whole "annoying TMNT" jokes.  I can take a few but it was the whole movie.

2.) As Amicitia mentioned, the comic book Shredder was a push over (although I will admit to laughing at that part).

3.) The writers had SO many chances to bring in classic lines from the original cartoon but they didn't bother to put them in (either that or they were edited out).

Those my only issues with it but I did enjoy it.  Speaking of other things that they threw in, did anyone spot the HUMAN Bebop & Rocksteady walking the streets or the Ninja Pizza shop?

Also, did anyone else notice when they were showing the different versions of the TMNT that the one that they definitely made sure not to put in was the Next Mutation?  Or did I miss that one?
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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2009, 05:16:16 PM »

RGKameko :  The voices at the end WERE Eastman and Laird-- they recorded the dialogue specially for the show-- but let's face it, they don't quite look like they did back in the day. LOL
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2009, 05:24:39 PM »

Those my only issues with it but I did enjoy it.  Speaking of other things that they threw in, did anyone spot the HUMAN Bebop & Rocksteady walking the streets or the Ninja Pizza shop?

I thought that was them!

Also, did anyone else notice when they were showing the different versions of the TMNT that the one that they definitely made sure not to put in was the Next Mutation?  Or did I miss that one?

Not surprised - Laird still owned the Turtles when this was made, and he pretty much forbids any acknowledgement of that show.
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2009, 06:54:57 PM »

Yes - anybody else spot Irma in the 80's street scene?
lol, i didnt catch that. i just noticed toka and raza
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2009, 08:28:28 PM »

I am surprised no one has uploaded the film to youtube yet! 

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I was sort of hoping someone had, as I could not record it.
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2009, 10:12:02 PM »

A final note: If this movie was intended, at least partially, as the last piece of the New Toon, then I think it failed. For all its flaws, "Wedding Bells and Bytes" was a good ending to the series. Our mutants were reunited as a family, Casey and April got married, and the Turtles' enemies either were destroyed or (inexplicably) seemed to lose interest in fighting them. It was a satisfying conclusion in the sense that you felt the story was over, and there was nothing more to say about it.

This movie largely wrecked that. At the end of it, the NT Turtles go back to their own dimension, but they have no place to go within that dimension. Their home has been destroyed and the public is now aware of the existence of giant Turtles. That's not an ending; that's a set-up for another story

While I agree that this isn't a great ending, I like it more than "Weddings Bells and Bytes" as a ending. My reasons of why I like it better.

1. It had a real story line. - Wedding Bells was more of a "How many people can we cram into this wedding episode"?
2. Everyone who showed up had a reason to be at the spot they showed up.  - Wedding Bells shoved people at the wedding that should not have been there like, Karai... there may be a bit of a truce, but not enough to bring her to their family gatherings.  Even in "Turtles Forever" she proved to be a threat to the guys, if she didn't show up well... Utrom Shredder would be dead now Wink  Krang would of had his way.
3. No Master Khan - the Villain who came out of no where getting control of the Foot... with no back ground story.
4. The end of the Utrom Shredder... the Shredder from the beginning of the series, the main character we saw as a villain in this series.  Nice touch to end it with him being defeated.
5. Calling it Turtles Forever, by doing so it sums it up.. no matter what ending they give no one would be totally happy cause there's always going to be a lot of open ends to be closed.  At least here they wrapped up Utrom Shredder.


I would of loved to have seen a season follow this to see:

1. Them get a new home.
2. April & Casey's life together as they're married.
3. Hun seeking revenge for becoming a Mutant Turtle.
4. What happens to all those new mutants made for this battle.
5. If the Turtles find away out of media attention like they did in the past when people were trying to call them out public (like the Triceratons.. how many people saw the Turtles in Central Park in those episodes?)
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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2009, 04:55:57 AM »

 Man ! It  was awesome  Love

I enjoyed it a lot

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I give it a 11/12

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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2009, 05:10:45 AM »

Just finnished watching it. I loved it I was surprised to see it uploaded to the internet for download so quick. I think they did a great job on this movie. I hope to see it come out on blu-ray someday. At frist I did not like the voicing on the 1987 turtles, and villians, but it grew over it quickly as i was drawn in to the story. This movie brought back alot of memories for me, and i can see meself watching this for years to come. I am going to see if I can find a video splicer and upload this movie to youtube.


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« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2009, 05:15:12 AM »

I am surprised no one has uploaded the film to youtube yet! 

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I was sort of hoping someone had, as I could not record it.


I downloaded the movie via torrents. I was surprised to find it. Here is the torrent for download.

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