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« on: February 11, 2006, 02:07:33 PM »

This Episode is  "Prodigal". This Episode is on Disk one of Season 4, two disk set.


In the 4Kids Show we will be posting spoilers about the show. From our favorite scenes, to what happened to what characters and what mistakes did you catch in the show? So if you're not one for spoilers and have not seen this one yet, Don't read it.

Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler!Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler!
Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler!Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler!
Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler!MichaelangeloSpoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler! Michaelangelo Spoiler!
Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler! Donatello Spoiler!Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael Spoiler! Raphael  Spoiler!
Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler! Leonardo Spoiler!Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler! Splinter Spoiler!

I have not seen this episode yet, though I do know it's the return of Leonardo to find out what happened last week... and man did stuff happen last week....   so there's a huge fight and I can't wait to see it!

Feel free to talk here... I won't read till tomorrow...  *grumbles about a spoiler being splitted about the theme changing again.*
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2006, 04:02:41 AM »

For those that go on about "who's the best"?
It's quite clear in this episode.

 Leonardo

This episode made me very happy.

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2006, 11:46:16 AM »

I don't know...I enjoyed the episode, but, it seemed like a bit of a let down to me. Maybe I was just frustrated over the fact that I was watching it on my 18 year old 13 inch tv, rather than my 1.5 month old 20" one (argh), but the fight between Leo & Karai seemed to be too short. And, after everything she's done...Leo STILL let her go, giving her 'one more chance'. What does she have to do, physically rip someone's heart out (no, wait, that was Terror *G*), before Leo will stop giving her another chance? I know, it's probably all part of his new training (which seems to include becoming psychic), but still...

And, considering how much attention was focused on this fight, it almost seemed like "blink and it's over".

One thing Karai showed is that she's no Shredder. She's way too emotional to be efficient as a ruthless leader. As we commented on last week's show, she failed to ascertain that Raph, Don, Mike & Splinter were really dead. She accepted the word of lackeys. Oroku Saki's Shredder, as we all know, would not have made that mistake. Then, during the fight, she let her emotions get the best of her, which cost her the fight (and, really, should have cost her her life). I just hope that this "one more chance" doesn't suddenly make her see the error of her ways, and turn her good....
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2006, 12:13:57 PM »

I agree about it being a bit of a let down episoide we all knew the other guys were going to be ok.  I love the Pizza delievery act with Angel... but watching everyone get saved was taking too long with the flash backs.  I was looking forward to a better fight, seeing as how Karai was able to take down Splinter so easy.  

I just felt the hype had me excepting more... a real fight where Karai had a chance.   Though instead it was 'Oh look how strong Leonardo is.'

I think it's also getting to me that this is really becoming the "Leonardo show", really the Turtle that has the most story lines and the strong pull in the on going story is Leonardo.  And now it seems Leonardo is even stronger than Master Splinter, seeing how Splinter couldn't defeat Karai and Leo did it so fast.  It's nice that Leo was able to do this for his family, though I think that he did it too easy.   And I also really wish they'd give more character development towards Donatello, I feel he gets the shallow end of this show.   Michelangelo and Leonardo both get a lot of attention... at first in the series so was Raphael.  Though these last few seasons has really shifted toward mainly Leonardo with some Mikey stories while the other two are riding the back ground.   As much as Mikey is my favorite... I still care a lot about Don and Raph.

I hope this Monster episoide for next week gets to focus a bit on Donatello.  Would be nice to see some character growth there.

So what does everyone think of the changes in the theme song?
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2006, 05:05:43 PM »

I know Ivy! I totally agree with you! Donatello needs more screen time and character develpement. it's SO sad! *cries* I'm hopingthat this kind of ends the "Leo Angst Show" and they will move onto something else since he seems miraculously healed now. *rolls eyes* A whole season of angst and THREE episodes cures him. Wow! *Leo dances in* I'm not angry on the inside any more!

This episode had parts I did like and parts I didn't like. We, of course, were all waiting to see Leo come find the guys and stuff. But I wanted some good old fashioned hugging all around. Not just "Hey, it's Leo." "We're all alive? Oh good." I was disappointed. Klunk protecting Mikey was SOOOO cute though! And Mikey's such a good ninja, sleeping DURING the cat alarm. Oh well, he didn't look so good, so he has an excuse.

I laughed when Leo was looking for Don and Splinter. What happened here? Maybe I should close my eyes and visualize where they went instead of OPENING THEM AND SEEING THE TRACKS IN THE SAND. Leo: "I think they went this way." Ya think, Leo? Except, those were like 3 toed tracks. I really dunno who made them unless it was Don using his bo to walk. I guess it could kinda look like that...I dunno.

I was expecting more from the Karai/Leo fight. It seemed a bit short. But it was cool when Leo chopped off the head of that statue. There's no way those two are going back to the "relationship" they used to have. Karai brought it on when she attacked his family and now it's war. I'm eager to see what they're going to do next for a story line.

Edit: I forgot to add I totally love it every time they change the opening animation. It's fun to see new stuff. I would have to kill myself if I was forced to watch the same animation for four seasons now. SO every change they do to it is a treat for me. Though hearing Karai say "Watch out for Shredder" sounded a bit wierd. But it may grow on me. Happy/Smile
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2006, 05:31:48 PM »

Yea, I wonder whose bright idea it was to not let them hug each other. If anything, we need more show of emotion with these characters!
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2006, 07:07:10 PM »

I was gone almost the whole day yesterday, with riding my horse then visiting Aig's to see the Toon, and doing sword pratice, and watching some Olympics....

I agree with some of the comments, but on others, this episode was something I *really* enjoyed.
And maybe being a Leo fan biases me. (Hey, Raph! Can I try a halo here???)
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Anyway...I can't wait until this is on DVD so I can watch it again!

So my thoughts on thoughts brought up by others, as well as my own.

Yes, the foot prints in the sand from Don were a "duh" kind of thing. Don't need to be Aragorn to track that. But the footprints would have vanished at some point past the sand, anyway....so...<shrug>. Cartoonism.
And yes, Leo did not kill Karai, but it's a Saturday morning cartoon! How many beheadings can they get away with? Leo actually KILLING Karai in anyway with his blades?? There's that "unwritten rule" in Saturday fare you can't have the heroes killing their enemies, no matter how bad they are. If the villains don't take themselves out, you get stuck into a writing corner without a lot of good story ways out.
"If this had been a Mirage comic, Leo would have taken her head," I said. But, taking off the head off the Oroku Saki statue was a very satisfying alternative. I cheered! The unsaid thing there was, "next time it'll be your head flying". ooh so subtle and twisted for a cartoon....  Happy/Smile
No matter how much the older/more mature viewers may want the stories to go, this isn't like anime from Japan geared for more mature audiences, where Leo could have beheaded her or slain Karai in justification for her actions, or Karai might have killed herself after losing to Leo. This isn't a movie with a PG-13 rating. We have to accept some of the dorkisms that will be forced upon the writers to be able to air on tv. I still am always in amazement what they DO get away with, or that they are willing to make the effort to write good stuff. It's easy to write up all the build up stuff, the escalation of hostilities, the fight, but the aftermath? Always the trickiest part to get a good ending that isn't lame or smarmy.
In this case, if they had gone with a huggy-touchy "oh we make up" type of ending with Karai, I'd have been totally disgusted. So I was satisfied with the result, to have utterly defeated Karai, and left her in shame.

Battle not long enough? Not for me.
It was as long as it needed to be. It's not the length they can drag a battle out to, which is often just "filler" and not character development. Instead of writing a story, it's "insert 10 minutes of fighting here". I am pleased they opted for character development over an overly long and dragged out fight.
Leo surprised Karai, he had the tactical advantage, he knew her thoughts, and he was completely focused and in control of himself. There were no distractions for Leo, so the battle should be over quickly, because his opponent was distracted, surprised, and as pointed out, emotional.

As for the angsty Leo being over, I am glad. It was a good story arc for a Saturday toon to tackle, and made sense to me, I liked it a lot! But, yeah, time to wrap it up.  And as for it being over in three episodes, I have no problem with it because at the beginning of this episode, they said two months had gone by. I thought this episode showed the change in a very good way.

But I most definitely agree, I would love to see some focus now go to Don, Raph, and Mike. And Splinter and April and Casey, too.
Don did get some focus in the People's Choice. April got more focus with Don in Sons of the Silent Age. Mikey got more focus in the episode he had to defend his title as Battle Nexus Champion (which reminds me, seeing him salvage the pieces of his trophy and try to rebuild that would be amusing).
But it would be fun to have an arc that focuses more on one of them now.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2006, 07:27:35 PM »

Quote from: "Leonardo"
For those that go on about "who's the best"?
It's quite clear in this episode.

 Leonardo

This episode made me very happy.

 Leonardo


Hey, Leo didn't have to deal with getting Splinter out of a sunken submarine, or fight while carrying him on his back. Have to say, seeing Splinter with the scuba gear and the goggles on was great.

And as far as who's the best, see sig below. *exhudes much smugness*  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2006, 07:41:49 PM »

I really liked this arc too. Despite its shortness, I liked the Karai fight at the end. My least favorite part of the episode was when they showed the flashbacks of how the guys survived. I guess they had to show those because of the story, but we all knew they survived! Some parts were unbelievable, like how did the Foot not see Raph come out of the Battle Shell on his bike?


The show has been focused on Leo for awhile and I agree I would like to see more development of the other guys. But I still am not bothered by Leo's stories, they are good. Hmm, perhaps each Turtle should have their own show. We could have a two hour block on saturday mornings.

The Karai fight was probably my favorite part of the episode. I was surprised at how quick Leo beat her but it just goes to show how far Leo has come since the series' beginning. The lines that Karai said when Leo got there sounded familiar. Perhaps they were the lines Shredder said in the "Return to New York" comics? Either way, this scene reminded me of the Shredder fight in "Return to New York" comics, and I think perhaps Leo cutting off the Saki statue's head was a homage to that. I loved that part by the way.

I knew Leo wasn't going to kill Karai. It's a saturday morning show, but beyond that, I don't think he would just decapitate her right then and there. He knows deep down she is a good person and wants to get through to her. I've been in this situation in real life, and yes, you end up giving the person an infinite amount of chances to change.

This has only been three episodes, but Leo did not change instantly. He stayed with the Ancient One for months. I think the time is equivalent to the time span between episodes in real life, which is really cool.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2006, 09:20:56 AM »

I sorta figured that Raph would escape driving his Shell Cycle!  He wouldn't part with the vehicle he loves to drive.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2006, 11:47:36 AM »

We also tried to figure out how the Foot missed Raph driving away on his bike.
Like the really obvious footprints in the sand, it was a bit...cartoonish.

What we thought on it for plausability, was Raph got out on his cycle, he stopped and checked the angle of the smoke, then drove off using that as his cover.
Then by trashing his bike the way he did under the rail system, he expected he might have been noticed and so again set up a crash?

I would think Don should be pretty Peeved Off.
So much of his hard work, trashed!! And Raph wrecked 2 things!

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2006, 01:28:59 PM »

Ok, I'm being brain dead but when did Don rebuild the Shell Cycle after Hun trashed it? (and, even worse, wore Raph's helmet  LOL  )
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2006, 12:39:53 PM »

Okay, I thought this episode was beyond awesome, I actually really liked Leo in it, he was just SO cool!

It was really interesting how Leo used his new, 'psychic' skill to find out where everyone was..., I guess the ancient one taught him that because he sure a heck didn't know how to do that before he left. Mikey was so cute sleeping near the subways, though I don't know how you could easily sleep there..., but it was cute. Happy/Smile (Anime Style)

Also, Leo taking down Karai THAT fast was awesome, he really came through and him cutting off Saki's head on the statue was also pretty cool, and his parting words,

"Stay away from my family!"

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 02:50:53 PM »

I told you guys that for Leo, family is more important than Karai.how can he like a girl who's out to destroy them?
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2007, 05:44:12 PM »

I agree with that. Leo cares so much for his family and doesn't want to see them get hurt. I'm glad he got to fight Karai and tried to get through to her. I think he gave her one more chance because he knows she's not like Shredder, and he's right on that point. I also loved seeing Klunk protect Mikey. That was so cute! Overall, I thought this was an awesome episode.

I'm glad Leo's angsty mood is gone, but it did a great job of creating character depth for Leo, which is something we didn't really see in the old toons. I enjoyed it, but I'm glad he's okay now.
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