Upcoming Leo Mini Series-Tales of Leonardo Blindsight

[Sabacooza]

I was a bit disturbed when I saw this. It makes me wonder, are they trying to kill the series by killing off a turtle. Who can say. I guess I'll have to read it and find out what the whole story is. I'll let the images speak for themselves.

[Aignatius]

Hmm. It looks intriguing, but you're right about it being disturbing. Poor fellow.
OTOH, they did the same thing to Don in the Image series. I highly doubt they would actually kill him off. That would be too far away from the gist of the family of stories Mirage has done.

And now to wait and see what really happens.  

[Dark Angel]

...............EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Leo........ Hey man that bites!! I don't like this series

[WolfofMibu]

Is this part of TMNT or is it part of Tales....


This really distrubs me.... to levels that I don't even know what to say....

What a horrible way to have Leo die....

What a horrible thing to do.

I am speachless....

[cynlee]

That makes me sooo angry!  WTF is wrong with these people?

[Kazari]

I CANT BELIEVE THIS! *growls* I emailed Dan. This is just horrifying..I am not happy with Volume 4 at all..I dont like how Laird is writing it..and this is just stupid!! What happened to Volume 4?! *broods*

[Raphael]

Ok, according to what I was reading, this takes place after the events in Tales of the TMNT #5. Let's examine things here...

1) Tales of the TMNT take place prior to the current TMNT series.

2) Leo is alive in the current TMNT series.

3) Hence, I suspect there's more here than meets the eye...calm down, folks.

[Kazari]

So wait is this Volume 4 or Tales? I thought we were talking about Volume 4. *laughs*

[WolfofMibu]

I investigated this myself... meaning I went to the pages that these pictures are from.... here is the full article for anyone interested:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=afcf593851adf8adc04f1dbc9a1ae944&threadid=63032

This is a mini-series I read about a while ago and am now very interested in reading, while I will fully admit that the images above still distrub me I think what Lawson is trying to do with the story will be amazing....

Just the emotion these few pages engage.....

June is vastly too far away...

[Kazari]

This issue hasn't been printed out yet. I spoke with Dan and he said he wasn't too sure if Peter got the issue out yet.

[Raphael]

Thanks, Wolf, I was going to post the same link.

Definitely looks like it'll be an eye opener.  

I shall refrain from further specific comments until someone has had a chance to react....

[WolfofMibu]

Thanks, Wolf, I was going to post the same link.

Definitely looks like it'll be an eye opener.  

I shall refrain from further specific comments until someone has had a chance to react....

Could you possibly change the title of this topic??

Because the comics are NOT about Leonardo's death and I know (from personal experance now)    It will save other Leo fans a lot of panic and heartache to NOT have to read that header then then see those pictures.

[Raphael]

Good suggestion.

[Onatello]

Ok...To me, what happened defies the law of gravity. I thought that the heavier the object is, the faster it would fall to the ground despite the 'freefall' effect, than a lighter object. Yet the katana lands first. What's up with the katana landing hilt first? For something dull to land like that and not fall, there had to be some major force pushing down on it. I'd figure it either land and fall or the blade go first.

Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I don't want to appear that I am un-sympathetic, but what see just confuses me a bit.

[Sabacooza]

This completely slipped my mind but why is smoke coming off of Leo's shell?  Hmm, very odd.

I'm well aware that this is a Tales book and I guess I should have stated that but I was too shocked and rushed to get the word out. Sorry.

Tales books can take place in the past present or the future. Correct? So, this could take place in the future but that would mean that the whole blindsight story would have to take place in the future as well. I'm scared

At first when I saw this I was sickened. It really hurt to see a character that I love slip and fall to his death going out like a punk. I really don't know what they have planned for this but if for nothing else at least it got my attention and now I have to read it. Their move to do this is ballsy I'll give them that but it could do one of two things, cause sales to sky rocket or plummet We'll see. It might not be as bad as it looks. If it does turn out to be as bad as it looks, I'm sure they'll be getting tons of letters.

As for when Laird is going to release the latest issue of volume four, I think he said it would probably come out a month later. I guess he was having trouble writing the story (writer's block). He also mentioned he might take a break from it all together to deal with the movies and cartoon.

[WolfofMibu]

This completely slipped my mind but why is smoke coming off of Leo's shell?  Hmm, very odd.

I'm well aware that this is a Tales book and I guess I should have stated that but I was too shocked and rushed to get the word out. Sorry.

Tales books can take place in the past present or the future. Correct? So, this could take place in the future but that would mean that the whole blindsight story would have to take place in the future as well. I'm scared

At first when I saw this I was sickened. It really hurt to see a character that I love slip and fall to his death going out like a punk. I really don't know what they have planned for this but if for nothing else at least it got my attention and now I have to read it. Their move to do this is ballsy I'll give them that but it could do one of two things, cause sales to sky rocket or plummet We'll see. It might not be as bad as it looks. If it does turn out to be as bad as it looks, I'm sure they'll be getting tons of letters.

As for when Laird is going to release the latest issue of volume four, I think he said it would probably come out a month later. I guess he was having trouble writing the story (writer's block). He also mentioned he might take a break from it all together to deal with the movies and cartoon.

If you read the article on the page you will see this story takes place in the past. It is a sequal of sorts to #5 in the Tales (Brillant issue if you haven't gotten to read it), the biggest clue to the fact this takes place in the past... the storyline involves Splinter helping Leo deal with his blindness from his fight. Sense sadly Splinter has passed in the new comics that at least gives us readers a clue that everything in these comics has already happened, it is in the past which means whatever the above is (and it is horrifying to look at) Leo will surivive and will continue fighting.

[GreenWillow]

Ok, according to what I was reading, this takes place after the events in Tales of the TMNT #5. Let's examine things here...

1) Tales of the TMNT take place prior to the current TMNT series.

2) Leo is alive in the current TMNT series.

3) Hence, I suspect there's more here than meets the eye...calm down, folks.

~Yeah. Whew. Thanks Raph. Really-- everyone read the intervierw with Jim Lawson before you jump to conclusions. There's a reason why he fell, he can't actually be dead, and I'm pretty sure that all objects fall to earth at the same rate of speed regardless of weight....

~GW

[Raphael]

~Yeah. Whew. Thanks Raph. Really-- everyone read the intervierw with Jim Lawson before you jump to conclusions. There's a reason why he fell, he can't actually be dead, and I'm pretty sure that all objects fall to earth at the same rate of speed regardless of weight....

~GW

Quite welcome...and, as for gravity, it's hard to say. Coulda sworn I'd seen something on Mythbusters that proved otherwise, but I can't find the episode now.  But, there's always the Schoolhouse Rock tune about gravity (sung by the same people that brought you "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" - The Tokens), which claim that Galileo (sadly, pronounced Gal-i-lay-o and not Gal-i-leo <G>) determined all things fall to earth at the very same speed.

http://www.school-house-rock.com/Grav.html

Ok, most of you probably have no idea what Schoolhouse Rock is, but humour an old person and pretend, ok?

[GreenWillow]

~I think I was confusing mass and weight, but anyway, for all the hardcore Donatello types here: http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PHYS/CLASS/newtlaws/u2l3e.html

Heh heh.....

But how Leo's katana manages to land hilt-down and imbed itself in the asphalt I cannot imagine. Maybe it hit a spot of softened tar? Clearly this is another question for Newton or Galileo to ponder.....

(And now I've got the Indigo Girls' Galileo stuck in my head.....)

~GW

[OnnaRaphael]

I'll be the first to admit I do not like Jim Lawson's artwork but I'll be reading this... for obvious reasons.  I'm glad I didn't really stop by and see the thread before WolfofMibu cleared things up though, I did not need some sort of comic induced heart attack.

[Leonardo]

This is a very cruel thing to come home from, after a fun weekend in the Northwest area to celebrate Klork's wedding.
Obviously, yeah, Leo doesn't stay dead if this story is from the past. But to die by "falling on one's sword" in that manner, is very harsh.
After thinking about the technical part of gravity and the "odds of the sword landing just so...." all I see is the symbolism. <shudder>

[Buslady]

*gags* never cared for lawson art. never cared for that story anyways. the worst is trying to kill off leo....it's awful, all of it. the current issues, what the hell are they doing! they're totally ruining to whole thing.

[GreenWillow]

~The thing, is regardless of what we think of Lawson's artwork (and clearly it has changed over the years) the man has good insight into Leo's character and he obviously *likes* him. I'm keepin' the faith on this one.

And *honestly*, folks, if all the Turtles ever did was stroll through their lives having the occasional sibling spat and watching Shadow grow up, what would be the point??  They are our heros-- they *have* to have adversity thrown at them precisely so they can triumph.  And the tougher the adversity, the sweeter the victory.

That's what we need them for-- that's why they inspire us. Because they will triumph, but not until they've ridden out the battle, whatever form it takes.

~GW

[WolfofMibu]

I actually must be in the minority that likes Lawson's artwork and well likes Lawson a lot.

I agree with GreenWillow to the point where I feel more then a lot of other people that have worked on Turtles Lawson really understands Leo's character. I think a lot of this may simply come from the fact that he appears to be interested in a lot of the things Leonardo is interested in. I have faith in him being able to present us with an excellent story about our sword wielding leader.

All I wanted to know was Leo was going to live, having that knowledge I am now ready to go along for the ride and see what kind of story they are going to present us with.

 

[Aignatius]

Been thinking about this more, after a few conversations with people in the interim.
Besides Leo falling on his own sword, (which I suspect is a significant loss of face in the bushido code, isn't it?) the other thing that I found disturbing was how much he shattered the pavement. He didn't even bounce. Which means the pavement absorbed most of the impact. As someone who used to live and work in NYC, I used to hear about the suicides where people jumped, and cracked the sidewalk when they hit. It tended to look like what happens when a pebble hits your windshield. Not to mention they had to close off the whole street on that block to clean up. So the victim didn't exactly bounce, but the energy was dispersed in messier ways. Very nasty.
Then that sort of damage was more widely known after 9/11 when so many people fell from the WTC. A drop of 900 feet or so, and they left the same kind of impact as what was portrayed in this comic. I'm surprised that they'd go this route, but once again, they can do whatever they like without apology. Why not? Peter and Jim get so many complaints about stupid things, why not get complaints for something legit? Is this their way of generating more interest through controversy?

Another thought, the only thing I can think of that would interfere with things falling at the same rate, is wind resistance. Which is why when people jump out of airplanes, they have parachutes. Swords have very little resistance, a turtle would have more.

[Sabacooza]

Sorry for getting everyone so riled up and upset over this. I'm thinking I shouldn't have posted this but I thought it was important and disturbing enough that it needed some attention.

One thing I noticed is that for the issue one cover it has Leo falling from the sky off of a building I suppose. Then it shows those pages pertaining to that book where he goes splat. For issue number two it has him on the cover in the foreground ready to do battle with a creature in the forest so who can really say what happens.  

WolfofMibu also reminded me that splinter was in the book so yeah, I guess that's an indication that it happened in the past.

Leo going splat could also have been a nightmare or possibly Leo was feeling suicidal after killing the bum and splinter helped him to focus and possibly see a vision of what it would have been like if he committed suicide, and left those that loved him behind also placing a burden on his brothers because now the police have a turtle body and will probably wonder if any more exist. They might actively search for them. I know it sounds horribly stupid but I guess I'm still in denial.

Here I am a newbie and I'm already causing trouble.

[Aignatius]

Speaking for myself, no, you haven't gotten me upset or riled. And I don't think you're causing trouble.
 

[Raphael]

Sabacooza, don't worry, you haven't riled anyone up...you've initiated a discussion. It's cool.

Now that folks seem to be over the "OHMYGODLEOISGOINGTODIEHOWCANTHEYDOTHISTOHIMANDTOME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" phase, we can move onto speculating what it means, why it happens, how he gets out of it, if it happens... So many possibilities.

[Leonardo]

Sabacooza, don't worry, you haven't riled anyone up...you've initiated a discussion. It's cool.

Now that folks seem to be over the "OHMYGODLEOISGOINGTODIEHOWCANTHEYDOTHISTOHIMANDTOME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" phase, we can move onto speculating what it means, why it happens, how he gets out of it, if it happens... So many possibilities.

okay, so, where's your possibilities?
*hands you a potato chip for your thoughts, then sits down with a cup of green tea and wishes for oreos*

well...if the point of the story is remorse for killing someone who shouldn't have been killed, even by unintended accident....
...and it's kinda suicidal even in a possibly accidental way (very disturbingly nasty way). And I do see that there's a point to Leo being impaled by his own sword, because the fall itself would have been enough. The sword is a bit over the top, so it's clearly symbolic. Because he killed with the sword, and all that it means to one like him.
I also think, as pointed out, that this a possible "what if" story that's the classic kind of tale about "what if you weren't here...." and I agree it might be something Splinter sets up in some way mentally, or Leo mentally does it to himself. Then in that classic kind of story gets to be a witnessing ghost.
And of course, the way out would be the ability to find forgiveness of some sort through that process of seeing other viewpoints, or bigger picture, or just working through the grief and agony to find what it takes to live on. To seek a redemption or atonement.
So there, that's my guess, be it right or wrong when the comics come out. Doesn't matter. This is Jim's story....
And despite the shock of the pages we saw, I am curious to see where this goes. I was actually impressed by what I read in the interview with Jim, so I have hopes it will turn out to be a good story. I hope!
And I have my other reasons.
Anyone that got to read any of my long-ago fan fics like Dark Journeys, Storm, and the unfinished Storm 2...know that some of this theme ran through what I wrote. I look forward to seeing what Jim does with it.